"Open Source Spirit: Beyond Just Licensing"
April 10, 2025
TimothyCarter
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The debate over what truly constitutes "open source" often hinges on the Open Source Initiative (OSI)'s stamp of approval. If software is licensed under an OSI-approved "open source" definition, it's generally considered open source. However, the discussion gets complicated when you dive into the legal definitions versus the "spirit" of open source. There's a lot of nuance in the open source versus proprietary software debate. For instance, has an "open source company" limited its project by putting core features behind a paywall? How transparent is the project's development? And how much say does the "community" really have in a project?
To many, open source isn't just about legally using and modifying code; the culture, transparency, and governance around it are crucial.
Take Android, for example. Everyone's familiar with the Google-flavored version that comes on smartphones and tablets, loaded with various apps and services. The Android Open Source Project (AOSP), released under the permissive Apache 2.0 license, is available for anyone to access, "fork," and modify for their own hardware projects. By most definitions, Android is as open source as it gets. Google has used this fact to defend against anti-competition criticisms, pointing out that Amazon has repurposed Android for its Fire devices. But, there's a catch: Google has "anti-fragmentation agreements" with hardware makers that prevent them from using forked versions of Android. Unlike projects like Kubernetes, which are managed by an independent foundation with diverse corporate and community contributors, Android is directly controlled by Google, with limited transparency over its roadmap and community input.
Luis Villa, co-founder and general counsel at Tidelift, pointed this out at the State of Open Con25 in London: "Android, in a license sense, is perhaps the most well-documented, perfectly open 'thing' that there is. All the licenses are exactly as you want them — but good luck getting a patch into that, and good luck figuring out when the next release even is."
This highlights the core of the debate: Open source can be misleading. Without true independence, those wanting to contribute to a project may lack real agency. It also raises concerns about a project's long-term viability, as seen with numerous open source companies that have changed licenses to protect their commercial interests.
Peter Zaitsev, founder of Percona, an open source database services company, emphasized this during the panel: "If you think about the practical accessibility of open source, it goes beyond the license, right? Governance is very important, because if it's a single corporation, they can change a license like 'that.'"
Dotan Horovits, open source evangelist at the Cloud Native Computing Foundation (CNCF), echoed these sentiments in a separate talk, discussing open source "turning to the dark side." He noted that issues often arise when a single-vendor project makes changes based on its own business needs. "Which begs the question, is vendor-owned open source an oxymoron?" Horovits asked. "I've been asking this question for a good few years, and in 2025 this question is more relevant than ever."
The AI factor
These debates are far from over, especially as open source becomes a focal point in the AI realm. China's DeepSeek made waves with its open source hype, and while its models are licensed under the MIT license, recognized as open source, there are still mysteries around training data and other components. That's why researchers at Hugging Face are working on an even "more open" version of DeepSeek's reasoning model.
Meta has also been vocal about its open source efforts with its Llama large language models (LLMs), though Llama isn't considered open source by most standards due to its commercial restrictions.
Luis Villa expressed concerns about the open source AI definition: "I have my quibbles and concerns about the open source AI definition, but it's really clear that what Llama is doing isn't open source."
Emily Omier, a consultant for open source businesses and host of the Business of Open Source podcast, noted that attempts to "corrupt" the meaning of "open source" reflect its power. "It goes to show how strong the brand of open source is — the fact that people are trying to corrupt it, means that people care," Omier said during the panel.
Regulatory pressures, such as the EU AI Act, which has special provisions for "free and open source" AI systems, might be driving these attempts to redefine "open source." Villa explained, "There are plenty of actors right now who, because of the brand equity [of open source] and the regulatory implications, want to change the definition, and that's terrible."
Clear parameters
While there are arguments for adding criteria that capture the "spirit" of open source, sticking to clear parameters defined by a license keeps things straightforward and less open to subjective interpretation. How much community engagement is needed for something to be truly "open source"? On a practical and legal level, focusing on the license makes sense.
Stefano Maffulli, executive director at the OSI, emphasized that while some organizations focus on "open design, community, and development," these are philosophical concepts. "The point of having definitions is to have criteria that can be scored, and focusing on licensing is how that is accomplished," Maffulli stated. "The global community and industry have come to rely on the Open Source Definition and now the Open Source AI Definition as objective measures that they can rely on."
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RaymondNelson
April 10, 2025 at 1:24:26 PM GMT
The whole 'open source' debate is more than just a license, right? It's about the spirit! I mean, if it's just about OSI approval, then we're missing the point. It should be about community, sharing, and collaboration. Let's keep pushing for true open source, not just a label!
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DanielLewis
April 10, 2025 at 8:53:42 AM GMT
オープンソースの議論はライセンスだけじゃないよね?それは精神的なものだよ!OSIの承認だけで満足するのは本質を見失うこと。コミュニティや共有、協力が大事。真のオープンソースを追求しよう、ただのラベルじゃなくて!
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DanielPerez
April 10, 2025 at 6:21:07 PM GMT
O debate sobre o que é 'código aberto' vai além de apenas uma licença, certo? É sobre o espírito! Se é só sobre a aprovação da OSI, estamos perdendo o ponto. Deve ser sobre comunidade, compartilhamento e colaboração. Vamos continuar buscando o verdadeiro código aberto, não apenas um rótulo!
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JasonSanchez
April 11, 2025 at 2:32:19 AM GMT
El debate sobre qué es 'código abierto' va más allá de solo una licencia, ¿verdad? ¡Se trata del espíritu! Si solo se trata de la aprobación de la OSI, estamos perdiendo el punto. Debe ser sobre comunidad, compartir y colaboración. Sigamos buscando el verdadero código abierto, no solo una etiqueta!
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WillieJones
April 11, 2025 at 11:53:26 AM GMT
Cuộc tranh luận về 'mã nguồn mở' không chỉ là về giấy phép, đúng không? Đó là về tinh thần! Nếu chỉ là về sự chấp thuận của OSI, chúng ta đang bỏ lỡ điểm chính. Nó phải là về cộng đồng, chia sẻ và hợp tác. Hãy tiếp tục theo đuổi mã nguồn mở thực sự, không chỉ là một nhãn hiệu!
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WilliamCarter
April 12, 2025 at 4:54:30 PM GMT
Open Source Spirit is interesting, but the debate over what's truly 'open source' is just too confusing. I thought it was just about the license, but there's so much more to it. It's like a rabbit hole! Still, it's a good read if you're into the nitty-gritty of software licensing.
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The debate over what truly constitutes "open source" often hinges on the Open Source Initiative (OSI)'s stamp of approval. If software is licensed under an OSI-approved "open source" definition, it's generally considered open source. However, the discussion gets complicated when you dive into the legal definitions versus the "spirit" of open source. There's a lot of nuance in the open source versus proprietary software debate. For instance, has an "open source company" limited its project by putting core features behind a paywall? How transparent is the project's development? And how much say does the "community" really have in a project?
To many, open source isn't just about legally using and modifying code; the culture, transparency, and governance around it are crucial.
Take Android, for example. Everyone's familiar with the Google-flavored version that comes on smartphones and tablets, loaded with various apps and services. The Android Open Source Project (AOSP), released under the permissive Apache 2.0 license, is available for anyone to access, "fork," and modify for their own hardware projects. By most definitions, Android is as open source as it gets. Google has used this fact to defend against anti-competition criticisms, pointing out that Amazon has repurposed Android for its Fire devices. But, there's a catch: Google has "anti-fragmentation agreements" with hardware makers that prevent them from using forked versions of Android. Unlike projects like Kubernetes, which are managed by an independent foundation with diverse corporate and community contributors, Android is directly controlled by Google, with limited transparency over its roadmap and community input.
Luis Villa, co-founder and general counsel at Tidelift, pointed this out at the State of Open Con25 in London: "Android, in a license sense, is perhaps the most well-documented, perfectly open 'thing' that there is. All the licenses are exactly as you want them — but good luck getting a patch into that, and good luck figuring out when the next release even is."
This highlights the core of the debate: Open source can be misleading. Without true independence, those wanting to contribute to a project may lack real agency. It also raises concerns about a project's long-term viability, as seen with numerous open source companies that have changed licenses to protect their commercial interests.
Peter Zaitsev, founder of Percona, an open source database services company, emphasized this during the panel: "If you think about the practical accessibility of open source, it goes beyond the license, right? Governance is very important, because if it's a single corporation, they can change a license like 'that.'"
Dotan Horovits, open source evangelist at the Cloud Native Computing Foundation (CNCF), echoed these sentiments in a separate talk, discussing open source "turning to the dark side." He noted that issues often arise when a single-vendor project makes changes based on its own business needs. "Which begs the question, is vendor-owned open source an oxymoron?" Horovits asked. "I've been asking this question for a good few years, and in 2025 this question is more relevant than ever."
The AI factor
These debates are far from over, especially as open source becomes a focal point in the AI realm. China's DeepSeek made waves with its open source hype, and while its models are licensed under the MIT license, recognized as open source, there are still mysteries around training data and other components. That's why researchers at Hugging Face are working on an even "more open" version of DeepSeek's reasoning model.
Meta has also been vocal about its open source efforts with its Llama large language models (LLMs), though Llama isn't considered open source by most standards due to its commercial restrictions.
Luis Villa expressed concerns about the open source AI definition: "I have my quibbles and concerns about the open source AI definition, but it's really clear that what Llama is doing isn't open source."
Emily Omier, a consultant for open source businesses and host of the Business of Open Source podcast, noted that attempts to "corrupt" the meaning of "open source" reflect its power. "It goes to show how strong the brand of open source is — the fact that people are trying to corrupt it, means that people care," Omier said during the panel.
Regulatory pressures, such as the EU AI Act, which has special provisions for "free and open source" AI systems, might be driving these attempts to redefine "open source." Villa explained, "There are plenty of actors right now who, because of the brand equity [of open source] and the regulatory implications, want to change the definition, and that's terrible."
Clear parameters
While there are arguments for adding criteria that capture the "spirit" of open source, sticking to clear parameters defined by a license keeps things straightforward and less open to subjective interpretation. How much community engagement is needed for something to be truly "open source"? On a practical and legal level, focusing on the license makes sense.
Stefano Maffulli, executive director at the OSI, emphasized that while some organizations focus on "open design, community, and development," these are philosophical concepts. "The point of having definitions is to have criteria that can be scored, and focusing on licensing is how that is accomplished," Maffulli stated. "The global community and industry have come to rely on the Open Source Definition and now the Open Source AI Definition as objective measures that they can rely on."




The whole 'open source' debate is more than just a license, right? It's about the spirit! I mean, if it's just about OSI approval, then we're missing the point. It should be about community, sharing, and collaboration. Let's keep pushing for true open source, not just a label!




オープンソースの議論はライセンスだけじゃないよね?それは精神的なものだよ!OSIの承認だけで満足するのは本質を見失うこと。コミュニティや共有、協力が大事。真のオープンソースを追求しよう、ただのラベルじゃなくて!




O debate sobre o que é 'código aberto' vai além de apenas uma licença, certo? É sobre o espírito! Se é só sobre a aprovação da OSI, estamos perdendo o ponto. Deve ser sobre comunidade, compartilhamento e colaboração. Vamos continuar buscando o verdadeiro código aberto, não apenas um rótulo!




El debate sobre qué es 'código abierto' va más allá de solo una licencia, ¿verdad? ¡Se trata del espíritu! Si solo se trata de la aprobación de la OSI, estamos perdiendo el punto. Debe ser sobre comunidad, compartir y colaboración. Sigamos buscando el verdadero código abierto, no solo una etiqueta!




Cuộc tranh luận về 'mã nguồn mở' không chỉ là về giấy phép, đúng không? Đó là về tinh thần! Nếu chỉ là về sự chấp thuận của OSI, chúng ta đang bỏ lỡ điểm chính. Nó phải là về cộng đồng, chia sẻ và hợp tác. Hãy tiếp tục theo đuổi mã nguồn mở thực sự, không chỉ là một nhãn hiệu!




Open Source Spirit is interesting, but the debate over what's truly 'open source' is just too confusing. I thought it was just about the license, but there's so much more to it. It's like a rabbit hole! Still, it's a good read if you're into the nitty-gritty of software licensing.












